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Very creative, but I don't consider a constitutional process set forth under Article I, Sections 2 and 3 and Article II, Section 4, a coup. Also, as per that process, even if the House of Representatives votes to impeach, that is the equivalent of an indictment. The Senate would hold a trial and removal would depend on a 2/3 vote.

From a technical standpoint you're correct. However when history is used considering the deep state operatives said Trump would not be elected, then attempted to prevent him from taking office with statements urging "Electors" to defy the election results, and comments about an "insurance policy" to remove him from office with false Russia collusion claims, the fact President Obama recommended that Ukraine investigate Paul Manafort, Hillary Clinton's campaign had real collusion with the Russians to create the Steele dossier, Senators Durbin Leahy and Menendez threatened to cut off Ukrainian aid if they didn't help Mueller, VP Biden gave Ukraine 6 hours to fire their prosecutor investigating his son or lose billions in aid, John Kerry went rogue and held a secret meeting with Iranian officials to undermine official U.S. policy, etc. -- there is a lot more than the technical standpoint to be viewed. This is plain and simple a second coup attempt being driven by the deep state, those who want their power back and congressional pawns.

If this succeeds, then perhaps every political party will use "impeachment" proceedings to damage and/or remove every president they don't like or don't agree with politically.

Interesting photo and interpretation. Agree especially with your last statement.

Toujours tres evocateurs vos sujets.. Cette fois c'est la politique qui prend place ,face a une democratie un peu pietinee... Un president qui nie les faits,et les democrates qui veulent le destituer ( constitution oblige ) . Le resultat incombe aux deux chambres, avec un avantage aux deputes du senat majoritaires .

It's not a good situation when each side has there share of "pietinees" that refuse to accept facts if they paint a negative picture of their own kind and policies but this is today's USA. Still childish behavior is not an impeachable offense even if it does invite gridlock. It also isn't good that sometime between 2018 and recently, the intelligence community "deep state" changed their definition of a "whistleblower" from someone who has direct knowledge to someone that can have second or third hand knowledge to entice their operative to come forward with claims about a call he really knew nothing about. For those who support impeachment, perhaps talk about Hurricane Dorian, his Alabama mistake and the strong arm tactics directed at the NOAA might be something legitimate to look into.

Je suis d'accord avec vous et c'est dommage d'en arriver la,
surtout pour un grand pays démocratique comme le votre.
Bon Mardi.

Schöne Arbeit!

Politik war und ist ein schmutziges Geschäft, aufgebaut auf Kompromissen, Lügen und Intrigen.Interessengruppen und nicht zuletzt die Wirtschaftliche Politik bestimmen die Lage in einer Nation. In ihrem Fall geht es um eine Einzelperson, die auch nur persönliche Interessen verfolgt

Still, there used to be some integrity in politics where people could put aside differences to compromise for the greater good of country and community. Perhaps abolishing political parties and allowing people to serve as individuals representing their constituents might be a solution since then they would have less reason to embrace zero-sum politics and ideologies over constituent needs and concerns such that compromise and working together would be back in style. No wonder George Washington refused to join a political party even if some try to assign him one based on his personal beliefs!

Very well done and an interesting article William.

Thank you Ron, Malik, by the way, Reyk, and Jaap!

I have read with interest all the comments.
I have a very clear opinion about Trump and I admit that it's a bit exaggerated.
I don't know the American Constitution to be able to have a real sense of the process that is currently taking place in the United States.
I hope the right solution is found

A very topical subject and very interesting work, William!

yes, great work!

Well composed and taken, with an interesting article, William.

We live in interesting times indeed. Worse luck...

Superbes composition et message. Nicole.

彡 Good work. Have a lovely new week 彡

Super !

Thank you J. Garcia, Jette, Annemarie, Tiabunna, Ruth, Dolores, Nicole, June, and Ulrich!

Thanks for the visit, William.

Have a wonderful day.

Thank you Ron!

I completely agree with Reik,
and like J. Garcia I don't know enough about the American constitution to add something about that here.
As usual your picture is very well thought and done, William ! *****

je pense comme toi Will ! et ta composition est excellente*******************
belle semaine !

Thank you Christiane and Valeriane!

A creative shot and an interesting text!

Superbe .

very nice and well explained

Tout à fait excellent !*************

Superb work William.

Thank you Rainer, Ron, Lucette, Trudy, Jocelyne, and Jeff!

Très belle réalisation ! :-)

Great work.

Thank you Lee & Luv, Sylvie, Ron, and Soeradjoen!

Admirable comme toujours !

Outstanding. Love your design, love the elements, love the message.

There is a reason I detest politics. Trump is such a fine example, but of course there are countless. If it were possible to teleport him to the center of the sun, this would make me ever so happy. 'Nuff said.

I also detest politics and think they would be better if there were no political parties since then individuals would have greater incentive to serve the needs of their constituents.

Thank you Mariano, Danielle, and Janet!

Excellente composition !!

Thank you neira-Dan!

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Ein gutes Bild und vor llem ein sehr nachdenkenswerter Artikel von Dir dazu.

Thoughtful image and words William
The UK is in a similar position, i.e the electorate are being ignored

Another example why it might not be a bad idea for political parties to be dissolved so people would have to run on their ideas and be accountable to their constituents instead of special interests and party bosses.

Totally agree William.

Interesting and thoughtful article !

Well created image and thought provoking notes William. Well done. Have a good weekend

Thank you Ron, Bernhard, Roger, Polytropos, and Ecobird.

Me parece muy creativa la foto pero disiento de tu interpretación política. De todos modos, no considero que el fin de este foro sea la discusión política y no voy a rebatirla.

Thank you Ron and Marije.

Von hier aus betrachtet scheint die monentane Politik einer Zäsur gleich. Sie ist kein Vorbild mehr für demokratische Staaten. Oder?
Danke für Deinen Ruf!!

Freundliche Grüße und ein gutes Wochenende
Erich

Hello William,
I am glad that we have had such a beautiful and interesting communication about our pictures for a very long time.
Thank you for that and to another good time......
Best Greetings, Udo

Erich, on the contrary every democratic leader is accountable -- but accountable to the people not political opponents. If as so many say, Trump is terrible then without a doubt, 2020 will provide the definitive proof.

UdoSm,

Unlike some on the left (not saying or implying you in any way), I accept diversity of thought, religion, views, and being without it affecting how I interact nor engaging in name calling or worse. I reject the notion because one doesn't share my views, thoughts, religion and being are "Deplorables" , belong in "death camps" or "concentration camps."

To me everyone has a right to be who they are without facing discrimination or having hate directed at them.

Thank you Erich and Udo.

William,

wenn das demokratische System ausgehebelt wird, seine Instrumente versagen, dann werden Populisten alles daran setzen, an der Macht zu bleiben. Trump wird machen können was er will, er wird bestimmt 2020 wiedergewählt, William. Solange die Wirtschaft läuft hören die Menschen auf ihren vermeintlichen Führer.

Ich wünsche mir Du hast recht und die Demokatie funktioniert.
Dank auch an Dich, William.

Erich

A very creative idea for this image. Well done William Regards Tess.

I have full confidence in democracy if it is allowed to work especially because of term limits for the presidency. Andrew Jackson who served from 1829-37 was a populist who faced censure because the establishment resisted his vision of change. Yet the country survived -- actually was debt free its only time in history under his presidency and when his two terms were up, he did not cling to power. I doubt Trump would cling to power but it would be helpful if everyone on both sides of the isle toned it down, ceased criticizing the electoral system developed by the founding fathers, swore to accept the 2020 election results as every other past leader had done and ceased calls for revenge prosecutions for losing candidates. And put an end to zero-sum politics since "compromise" shouldn't be a curse word.

Thank you Erich and Tess!

Yes, well said.

Une image forte en symboles !

Thank you Josiane!

What a great, philosophical and profound interpretation.
Congratulations for this wonderful idea ...
I want to give three stars ***
warm greetings aNNa*

Thank you Anna!

...very expressive...

very effective conceptual compo !

Thank you Erika and Nora!

Thank you Evangrek!

LOL!

Using words and numbers has always been used ( as you say) by people to protect themselves when announcing very important matters for them...
I agree with your worry which has become a world-wide worry...
nicely put into an image !

great idea!

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Congratulations on Explore.

Interesting image!

Terrible news.

Qui aurait cru qu'une pareille chose arriverait au USA...C'est inconcevable et inimaginable,et pourtant..! Ou va le monde avec toutes ces divisions ??? Rester en sécurité.

I hope you will overcome peacefully this horrible horrible period my friend.

We were horrified to see this behaviour today! Hope Trump takes himself off and stops inflaming passions. Hoping democracy and decency quickly prevails.

Excellent work, William ! Yes our world is too chaotic and I hope democracy will be prevailing again in many countries ! Our energy should be me focusing in trying to combat this bloody virus !!

je souhaite de tout mon coeur William,, que ce bouleversement , période difficile,en vue de ces nouvelles terribles, soit surmonter rapidement, William, avec toute mon affection

People in power like President D. Trump are not only massively damaging their office...
I wish America peace and unity.
Please stay safe and well, William!

Une très belle composition pour des nouvelles tristes. Bonne journée. Nicole.

Thank you Sami, Malik, Annemarie, Diana, Marie-claire, Vero, * ઇઉ *, and Nicole. Fortunately this time the coup didn't succeed thanks to lack of popular support and lack of organization. Hopefully lessons can be learned from this dark stain and politicians put aside demonizing their opponents to such a degree they are dehumanized and zero sum politics is replaced by collegiality and compromise that respects differences of opinion. If not, an even more dangerous authoritarian demogogue may emerge in the United States or another democratic nation and a coup attempt may succeed. Hope this "serious attack" on democracy, to use the words of the Organization of American States (OAS) brings people together to protect freedom as well as to uphold justice, the latter, which includes prosecuting every single traitor and insurrectionist to discourage future acts of sedition and coup attempts. Last, House of Representatives democrats are correct to declare President Trump a "threat to national security, democracy, and the constitution." 20 January can't come soon enough!

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Creative and to the point, Wiliam!!!

Great work, William. What a dreadful process this has been! At the bottom line, your current President was encouraging the rioters. Now he's tried to walk away by castigating them for what he essentially promoted! At least he now appears to be conceding electoral defeat!

Stay well and best wishes for the weekend.

Good work. Hope you are keeping safe and well ;-)

You emphasize people of all races and sexes through your relevant composition, as remarkable in its symbolism as those you have always gratified us with. I commend you for that, William. As much as your defense of the law as prescribed by your constitution.

Unfortunately, I have to bring a damper to the concert of voices, including yours, which unanimously condemn the invasion of the Capitol.
Today, communities, I sincerely believe, like the black community, like the community of the underprivileged - the majority victims of the pandemic - have a right granted hopefully by the constitution, be it the United State one, France one or any other, to demand justice before their peers who hold the reins of power.
I have never supported the arrogance or the whims of Mr. Trump and his supporters conditioned by the idea that democracy can submit to the will of a minority holding the economic jacks of a nation. In my opinion, this remains antithetical to the principles that built it and must remain sovereign.
But when a majority share has no other lever than the possibility of bending power through violent pressure, because of the irrepressible constraint that society exerts on it, I personally grant it the right to such actions, greatly legitimized by the insubordination that is the mother of our nations - in France, in USA and elsewhere.
In conclusion, if I condemn with you the pro-Trump insurrection that has undermined your institutions, because of its proven illegitimacy, I am not ready to condemn any attack on the so relative legitimacy of our elites who flout, as we see every week, the elementary principles of a democracy they are supposed to represent and defend.
If this right is not approved by the constitution, let the peoples allow themselves to grant it when their condition - endorsed by the delegates of their power - becomes unbearable and when they have no other survival resource than to overthrow the established order.
In this sense, this episode of the Capitol is not in itself blameworthy in my opinion. It essentially reflects the failure of governing bodies, in USA, in Europe as well as in Asia and increasingly in Africa, to represent the true aspirations of peoples throughout the world with regard to a fair consideration of their majority interest, be it climatic, economic or social.
We must not blindly condemn the expression of popular impulses: they always end up, fortunately, triumphing over the yoke imposed on them. And the rules of democracy as they are implemented cannot be of any recourse.

PS: You say, in response to Reyk, that there used to be some integrity in politics where people could put aside differences to compromise for the greater good of country and community. Perhaps abolishing political parties and allowing people to serve as individuals representing their constituents might be a solution since then they would have less reason to embrace zero-sum politics and ideologies over constituent needs and concerns such that compromise and working together would be back in style. I am afraid it is "wishful thinking". People have understood, media and social networks helping, and me included after almost 40 years of interest in politics, that delegation of power rarely gives long term positive effects (I'm not talking about ipernity! :)
In spite of Montesquieu, cantor of the republican constitution and master of modern French (and elsewhere) institutions, yellow vests movement represented a majority opinion in my country, before the political-media lobby succeeded in marginalizing it. The "public question" (res publica) remains a popular issue, which is not confiscated from the people in the long term without them feeling the desire to get their act together. This is indeed the fear of our governing bodies, of which the multinationals are the most faithful allies, who every week force themselves to subjugate its wishes. The so-called "Global Security" law that the Macron government has been trying to impose in recent weeks, and which is not isolated in our western world, is more than a witness to this repressive tendency, I do believe.