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Posted: 30 Jul 2018

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hospitality?

hospitality?
L'hôpital est-il devenu inhumain ?
Has the hospital become inhuman ?

Hôpital sud-francilien Corbeil-Evry, Essonne, France, + PIP's.
2012 - Groupe 6, architectes

www.lemonde.fr/sante/article/2016/09/18/suicide-a-l-hopital-pompidou-l-igas-pointe-des-manquements_4999688_1651302.html

www.hhnmag.com/articles/6980-joint-commission-shines-spotlight-on-suicide-in-hospitals-and-other-settings-with-eight-steps-to-detect-growing-concern

musique assortie / matching music (made with SuperCollider system)

wirsberg, buonacoppi, micritter, Beatrice Degan(MARS) and 17 other people have particularly liked this photo

19 comments - The latest ones
 Andy Rodker
Andy Rodker club
More pleasing than anything by Stockhausen and with the addition of an enjoyable visual image! But with the urgency of Urgences indeed!
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to Andy Rodker club
SuperCollider random music, Andy ! ;-)
Thank you for your attentive listening and appreciation.
6 years ago.
 Pam J
Pam J club
Rather scary !
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to Pam J club
A reflection of the diabolical management that is practiced there !
6 years ago.
 Marie-claire Gallet
Marie-claire Gallet
L'important c'est d'être bien soigné, mais pour le moral des patients comme des soignants l'architecte aurait pu créer une structure plus accueillante, plus humaine, non ????
Bises des Alpes et bonne journée à toi, Eric !!!!!!!
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to Marie-claire Gallet
C'est une architecture fonctionnelle, où l'homme n'a finalement plus sa place.
Merci Marie-Claire !!
Bises du Loiret ! J'espère que ton dos va mieux !
6 years ago.
 HelenaPF en pause
HelenaPF en pause club
Les articles dont vous nous avez donné le lien sont absolument effarants!!!!! Comment a-t-on pu en arriver là et dans des lieux où l'on est là pour apaiser les douleurs, pour venir en aide aux souffrants pour essayer de guérir les maladies de toutes sortes, physiques et psychiques!
Déjà les bâtiments ressemblent plus à des usines qu'à des hôpitaux.....Votre reportage enquête, cher ami, est éloquent et la photo excellente par ailleurs, démontre bien une sorte de dissociation entre le lieu et ce pour quoi il est destiné!

Il faut dire que même dans des lieux agréables et propres et pourvus en personnel soignant en 1976, j'ai été témoin de scènes qui m'ont révoltée entre une interne en chirurgie cardiaque et un patient! entre le personnel infirmier et un opéré à coeur ouvert....Alors tout cela ne date pas d'aujourd'hui Hélas!!!!
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to HelenaPF en pause club
Merci Héléna pour votre long commentaire.
S'il est vrai que cela ne date pas d'aujourd'hui, les conditions de travail se détériore chaque jour un peu plus par le simple fait que l'hôpital doit désormais être rentable, sous prétexte d'économie et de dette ; et qu'on lui fait perdre sa mission première, comme vous le soulignez. C'est ce qui désespère le plus les soignants qui n'ont plus le temps de s'occuper des patients devenus des "clients" qui doivent payer les soins de plus en plus cher ... Et qui, du coup, ont de moins en moins les moyens de se faire soigner.
Où est passée l'assistance publique, n'est-ce pas ??

Quant à l'architecture de cet hôpital, je ne la trouve pas inintéressante du tout mais comme vous je pense qu'elle n'est pas à même d'offrir un accueil bienveillant à ceux qui viennent y trouver un soulagement à leurs souffrances...
6 years ago.
 * ઇଓ *
* ઇଓ * club
Eric, you ask, "Has the hospital become inhuman?"
I don't think the hospital has become inhumane, but health policy, and hospital management geared to optimizing profits - with all its predictable "side effects".

Remarkable architectural photos, by the way.
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to * ઇଓ * club
Dear * ઇઉ *, I thank you for your compliments.

For my part, I would rather hear about optimizing care than profit. A modern society should, in my opinion, invest in access to the best care for the whole of its population: it was the public service mission that originally fell to it, particularly in France. This is in contradiction with the objective of profitability that is given to hospital today, which is increasing every day the number of people who no longer have access to certain basic care. Not to mention the personnel who no longer have the material and/or temporal means to provide them.
6 years ago.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Eric Desjours club
Dear Eric, what you utter here are exactly those "side effects" that I meant in my comment above. It would really be a far greater gain for everyone if the money didn't rule such institutions. We are in complete agreement.
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to * ઇଓ * club
Ok, so I misinterpreted your rejection of my 'inhuman' term; and I have to agree with you: all this remains human; desperately human.....
6 years ago.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Eric Desjours club
Indeed, Eric. Thank you.
6 years ago.
 micritter
micritter
Humans are "cases" and lose their humanity there. Wonderful image and very interesting discussion.
Thank you very much for kindly visiting and commenting on my posts.
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to micritter
Thanks to you too, micritter.
Glad to note that this discussion does not leave us insensitive as it stigmatizes, in my opinion, the orientation of our societies where man is no more than a consumer, a machine or, as you say, a "case" without individuality and lost in statistics...
6 years ago.
 ╰☆☆June☆☆╮
╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
Very strange architecture, but a great shot ;-)
Have a lovely day Eric.
6 years ago.
Eric Desjours club has replied to ╰☆☆June☆☆╮ club
;-))
Thank you June. Same to you.
6 years ago.
 Diane Putnam
Diane Putnam club
It looks like a factory! A medical factory. still, it makes a good photo!
6 years ago.
 Beatrice Degan(MARS)
Beatrice Degan(MARS)
I know I'm going to repeat what has been so finely said.
But on one side at first I was attracted by the architecture surely mostmuch more suitable and appropriate for an industry or office building (but maybe even in this case I would say fairly inhumane)
Then bewildered whilereading that's a hospital.

But, maybe, I want to believe that basically these architects wanted to represent what is the real health situation in our world so falsely progressed where little by little the sick will be hidden ,not to say worse, to be out of sight in a world governed by the fake optimism of eternal youth, beauty, and fitness as incessantly guaranteed by the advertising messages of the industries for which human beings exist only as consumers.
Well for very rich people things may be different when sick,...

Very striking reportage, Eric!
Bonne soirée et bonne nouvelle sémaine!:-)
6 years ago. Edited 6 years ago.

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