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Group: Ipernity Members Association Project
A REALISTIC PROPOSAL TO SAVE IPERNITY
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After reading all of the suggestions, I believe the following must happen for Ipernity to continue and hope Christophe and the rest of the IP team considers this plan that is formulated from the ideas of Colin Ashcroft, Juleann, Jim Kerslake, Bergfex, StoneRoad 2013, myself and others:
1. The founders, if unwilling to continue with this venture should sell their shares of stock or at least a large enough portion to ensure 51% control by members and others who cherish Ipernity’s continued existence.
2. Ipernity’s source code and databases must be uploaded to Amazon or Microsoft Cloud so the site can continue as is eliminating hardware, building, software development and equipment maintenance costs. The founders should not object since Ipernity was founded on free and open source software. Furthermore they have nothing more to lose than if they simply shut down Ipernity.
3. Ipernity has a superior platform enabling photo sharing, blog writing, active “user-friendly” groups and most importantly a unique translator that allows users to bridge language barriers and foster greater international understanding and friendships. Therefore changes to convert it into another Flickr, 500FX, Instagram and Facebook are not needed – known as “obsolete modernisms.”
4. Rather than simply double or triple membership fees, members who agree to this must be offered the chance to purchase shares of stock so that we have an ownership stake that guarantees Ipernity’s long-term survival. I believe “Club” membership would also rise if people could have a real stake in this outstanding platform. Perhaps two levels of membership -- Club and Club+ (the latter for shareholder members). This could also be an enticement for an ambitious “think big” membership drive.
5. Ipernity should be converted into a non-profit to encourage tax deductible donations since in reality it will always make marginal profits at best. A business or for-profit model is impractical for this site.
6. Inactive accounts should be converted into paying accounts or deleted with the exception of accounts for deceased members that should remain as an eternal testament to their legacy. Free membership should exist only for a limited time. In cases where people cannot afford it, contests can be held in “Win a Club Membership” group. Based on its creation and existence members are willing and able to sponsor others.
7. Discounts could also be given to senior citizens on fixed incomes since retirees who want to enjoy Ipernity should not be forced into financial hardship. Student discounts could also be given so young members attending school can participate to guarantee Ipernity's future for generations to come.
8. Engage in proactive advertising and encourage sponsorships with Camera and photographic equipment manufacturers (e.g. Canon, Nikon, etc.). These companies could also buy shares of stock to have a stake in Ipernity.
9. Create a crowdfunding stream so that members could contribute in the event of unforeseen costs.
10. Create a Paypal account in which membership dues, crowdfunding donations and other contributions are added and which automatic deductions can be made by Amazon or Microsoft to ensure smooth, uninterrupted service.
11. Elect a membership board/foundation to run Ipernity to ensure expenses are met and transparent communication with the Ipernity community that includes quarterly and annual financial reports. Of course to qualify for the membership board/foundation, persons must be Club+ members to ensure they pursue the best interests of Ipernity and the Ipernity community.
1. The founders, if unwilling to continue with this venture should sell their shares of stock or at least a large enough portion to ensure 51% control by members and others who cherish Ipernity’s continued existence.
2. Ipernity’s source code and databases must be uploaded to Amazon or Microsoft Cloud so the site can continue as is eliminating hardware, building, software development and equipment maintenance costs. The founders should not object since Ipernity was founded on free and open source software. Furthermore they have nothing more to lose than if they simply shut down Ipernity.
3. Ipernity has a superior platform enabling photo sharing, blog writing, active “user-friendly” groups and most importantly a unique translator that allows users to bridge language barriers and foster greater international understanding and friendships. Therefore changes to convert it into another Flickr, 500FX, Instagram and Facebook are not needed – known as “obsolete modernisms.”
4. Rather than simply double or triple membership fees, members who agree to this must be offered the chance to purchase shares of stock so that we have an ownership stake that guarantees Ipernity’s long-term survival. I believe “Club” membership would also rise if people could have a real stake in this outstanding platform. Perhaps two levels of membership -- Club and Club+ (the latter for shareholder members). This could also be an enticement for an ambitious “think big” membership drive.
5. Ipernity should be converted into a non-profit to encourage tax deductible donations since in reality it will always make marginal profits at best. A business or for-profit model is impractical for this site.
6. Inactive accounts should be converted into paying accounts or deleted with the exception of accounts for deceased members that should remain as an eternal testament to their legacy. Free membership should exist only for a limited time. In cases where people cannot afford it, contests can be held in “Win a Club Membership” group. Based on its creation and existence members are willing and able to sponsor others.
7. Discounts could also be given to senior citizens on fixed incomes since retirees who want to enjoy Ipernity should not be forced into financial hardship. Student discounts could also be given so young members attending school can participate to guarantee Ipernity's future for generations to come.
8. Engage in proactive advertising and encourage sponsorships with Camera and photographic equipment manufacturers (e.g. Canon, Nikon, etc.). These companies could also buy shares of stock to have a stake in Ipernity.
9. Create a crowdfunding stream so that members could contribute in the event of unforeseen costs.
10. Create a Paypal account in which membership dues, crowdfunding donations and other contributions are added and which automatic deductions can be made by Amazon or Microsoft to ensure smooth, uninterrupted service.
11. Elect a membership board/foundation to run Ipernity to ensure expenses are met and transparent communication with the Ipernity community that includes quarterly and annual financial reports. Of course to qualify for the membership board/foundation, persons must be Club+ members to ensure they pursue the best interests of Ipernity and the Ipernity community.
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William Sutherland clubBergfex clubPerhaps a little supplement to:
3) IPERNITY should step up effords to communicate that it is different from Instagram, Flicks, 500px etc.>
Target group: the ambitious photographer, who has higher demands.
8.) The Ipernity Marketing should convince manufacturers of upmarket photographic equipment, that they have advantages by sponsoring NORMAL Accounts: Grant them promotion space, depending from the amount of sponsored accounts.
Target group: The same.
StoneRoad2013 clubI agree with all 11 paragraphs.
Perhaps two levels of Club membership - one with and the other without share(s).
(note: ref inactive accounts and empty accounts - in the case of deceased members, the opportunity should exist to keep them - examples; Gannymede, spacemouses - provided they still get visited.)
William Sutherland club has replied to StoneRoad2013 clubBergfex club has replied to StoneRoad2013 clubMayby in that manner?
1) TEST Accounts, limited to 30 days with same functionality as NORMAL (see 3.), without advertising. Afterwards they transmute automatically into:
2) BASIC Accounts (1 input/day free, total account space limited to 100 MB maximum) with commercial advertising (This allows complete communication in all groups at lowest costs and respects social matters.) Those accounts are deleted - after a warning mail - 6 months after the last activity (automatically by system, with all contents).
(Variation: Allow to buy limited additional storage space at moderate conditions.)
3) NORMAL Accounts with full functionality and unlimited uploads/day until a limited total storage space (e.g. 1 GByte) - also with commercial advertising.
4) PREMIUM Accounts for shareholders. No annaul fee, no limits, no advertising. (The fee is covered with the share and the risk.)
Heidiho club has replied to Bergfex clubNun müssen wir wohl auf den "goodwill" von Eigentümern und Aktionären setzen.
LutzP club has replied to Heidiho clubGood idea !
L'action est actuellement très basse : 0,80 euros
It needs to be done.
Thank you very much for your time and effort,
PeggyC
It can be done: Smugmug has 300.000 members and no free accounts. The min. fee is about 40$ / yr.
Thanks for the effort, Lutz
Pam J clubThankyou also for incorporating about memorialising deceased members accounts. I can certainly name one who gave so much inspiration to so many and he has now passed. There are others too as Stone Road mentioned.
Colin Ashcroft clubIf it comes down to the end iPernity then 2) is most important and it doesn't actually matter where it ends up as long as the users who want to it can get access.
I do agree with 3) it is great description of Flickr and the like. I remember getting all excited about 500px for about 5 minutes :-)
8) is a double edged one - if you get Canon, Nikon or similar involved then all the good they could do would have to balanced with the fact that they would want influence and iPernity will also get the 'Obsolete Modernism' treatment.
Aber, - warum - warum ist nicht schon vor einem Jahr offen und in Kontakt mit den Mitgliedern über Lösungen in dieser Art nachgedacht worden ? ?
Jetzt haben bereits viele Ipernity verlassen. Aus meinen Gruppen sind etliche Leute ausgestiegen.
Ich denke, es wird nur noch ein Häufchen von engagierten Mitgliedern übrig bleiben und ob damit der Karren aus dem Dreck gezogen werden kann???
Ich hoffe - und die Hoffnung soll man nicht aufgeben, daß eine Lösung gefunden werden kann....und verbleibe bis zum Schluß ...
aNNa*
Unfortunately I haven't got so smart ideas and proposals to be suggested!
At the same time I know many members of the community have already left: but in my opinion they could be convinced and make up their minds and come back here!!
So far I haven't' emigrated ' anywhere. I agree with William's proposal.
Bea
William Sutherland club has replied to John Sheldon clubMuch praise for so many people who have offered ideas and shown their passion and love for this site.
Gruß Karin
Bergfex club1.) A new brand label, posted by SPOTOMY www.ipernity.com/home/spo on 2016/12/03
I think, it's an excellent idea! Because the brand IPERNITY is burned. It smells of collapse, problems and outmoded thinking. They won't overcome that blemish!
A new brand might symbolize a comeback. It’s often done in the world of business. CIBA-GEIGY changed to NOVARTIS (with a fresh-looking new Logo). The mouldy VEBA changed to E.ON (with a new, fresh Logo as well.)
Here is the proposal from SPOTOMY:
William Sutherland club has replied to Bergfex clubBergfex club2) Joint-Venture IPERNITY with 23hq
Both are similar, both are small. Merge them to a new, hopeful Start-Up with a clear defined vision and definite target users - explicitely different from Flickr, Instagram, etc...
Pam J club has replied to Bergfex club23hq ..... they cant even commit to disabling the ridiculous captcha on site !! . Nor do they have a sensible answer to what they would do with a sudden "influx". They also happily admit the photo side is quote "a hobby".
Security is scary... right click Save is available (albeit at a smaller size) and it doesnt seen to bother them. They are not someone personally I would want looking this way.... I dont care how successful their Video side is. They far from inspire me with any confidence.
I am fully aware it would be a different site.. but the business practices are.... slack.... in that they let their "hobby" site leak like a sieve. Their idea of "security" has been to recommend using CSS to stop illegal downloads. This CSS has to be inserted manually by the user (who has first to learn it.. or copy it) to stop afore mentioned illegal downloading.
Bergfex club3) Enrich this platform with an erotic channel
www.ipernity.com/doc/spo/43965724
It can be managed very seriously! FOTOCOMMUNITY does it without any problems, because they operate it under strict rules. It generates a lot of pay accounts there.
Think of Beate Uhse, a traditional thinking woman from last century, no sexy lady at all! She’s got the “Bundesverdienstkreuz” (1989) and the “Hot d’Or d’Honneur” (2000).
To the question, how she could combine her business with her convictions, she answered: “Der Wurm muss nicht dem Angler schmecken!”
(The worm has not to taste to the fisherman)
I know, it's a sensitive subject!
Before breaking away a controverse discussion, mind the fact, that we are in a brainstorming phase! Each proposal is worth to be presented. Thank you, SPOTOMY!
the question will be now: what the team will think about it ? is it possible to convince them ? we'll see...
EDIT: the model of bergfex seems to be a good one for me, if the basic account is free (but with its limits).. sorry, haven't seen that before
wrt. #8 Canon, Nikon, Olympus, Fuji ... they all run already photo sharing sites that go for free with photos from their models.
wrt. #9:
buying/selling printed images within the community or advertised - e.g. linked with Whitewall, Saal, Albelli (and resp. printing companies in other countries) that ease the production with or without frames. And adding a rate like x% as benefit for ipernity for fund raising.
I think the daily free amount of posts could be quite low say 2/3 per day ipernity should be regarded as a gallery not a storage facility
William Sutherland club has replied to Peter Castell clubBergfex clubWithout knowing how much it costs to actually run Ipernity there is no way to know what it will take to save it.
Expenditure is the vital key that is missing. Then present INCOME from all areas If we had this information maybe we could help more.
Bergfex clubI proudly present you the final -free- solution for all our problems.
Deactivate adblock, lean back and enjoy!
Ok, ok! Be gracious with me, please! Hope you understand, what I really mean.
And by the way: sometimes a burst of laughter removes tension.
Let me tell you, I really moved the problem with free accounts and social aspects in my heart and brain. In that process I remembered DROPBOX. They give a benefit to each member, which aquires another one. That’s not the worst strategy to upscale the amount of free members. The plan behind is: More free members = more payed accounts in future. (I don’t know, if it really works. But DROPBOX seems to be satisfied.)
Another example: Years ago I attended periodically to special workshops. The group manager gave 50% discount to those, who brought someone new, who wasn’t on his list. He was very successful with this strategy. Each event had a quarter of new participants.
My conclusion: The management should perhaps think about “Members aquire members” and give benefits counter draw. That would enable low budget members to contribute aside from money.
Pam J club has replied to John Sheldon clubSecurity is scary... right click Save is available (albeit at a smaller size) and it doesnt seen to bother them. They are not someone personally I would want looking this way.... I dont care how successful their Video side is. They far from inspire me with any confidence.
I am fully aware it would be a different site.. but the business practices are.... slack.... in that they let their "hobby" site leak like a sieve. Their idea of "security" has been to recommend using CSS to stop illegal downloads. This CSS has to be inserted manually by the user (who has first to learn it.. or copy it) to stop afore mentioned illegal downloading.
Bergfex club has replied to Pam J clubConcerning security: Right click is no problem for me, because I'm not a professional photographer. If someone wants to copy my pictures: why not? (What doesn't mean, that my pictures are free for commercial use!!!!)
Each picture, once uploaded to the Worl Wide Web, is vulnerable. If right click doesnt work, people use freeware tools like GREENSHOT or SNIPPING TOOLS. Blocked right click means nothing! The only secure protection is NO UPLOAD.
Pam J club has replied to Bergfex clubStealing is a different thing. I am more than happy to supply(and have) an original if simply asked....
Stealing.. taking and claiming as their own.... very different.
Yes.. as a many many years user of the Internet I am also aware there is no foolproof way to stop it. but... common manners by a site is simple.. just eliminate the easy and obvious.
StoneRoad2013 club.
www.ipernity.com/doc/autofantasia/43992640
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Comments and faves welcome - can we get it into "Explore" ???
Pam J club has replied to StoneRoad2013 clubEDIT : 9.45pm CST... #3