People often wonder how the images become picked to ipernity Explore. And here I try to figure it out and explain, as well as I can.
The very first thing one needs to understand is that Explore is more or less an overview on what is popular during last few days. However, popularity is a tricky concept. One should keep in mind that what is popular may not match with any subjective or shared understanding on what is quality. If number of ipernity members like images of fences, or more precisely like to salute each other with images of fences, then that is what ipernity is about, and also what makes ipernity special.
So, Explore should never display any subjective taste. What is popular may not look as a good public image to some, but it is a honest image on what ipernity is and what it's members prefer to share.
Many times members of ipernity have tried to figure out the algorithm used at ipernity Explore. I personally don't see it as important to find out what exact weight each algorithm variable gets, or what equation is used. But what variables are used, is not a rocket science. One can more or less figure them out by experimenting.
Here are the variables that I have figured out to be used.
Number of views
The more often your publication becomes visited, the more popular it is.
Number of faves
Those little yellow stars seen on side and under your posts certainly matters. More stars your publication gets, the more popular it is. People may disagree on how useful it is to give faves as tokens of appreciation, but personally I see them as a good way to show that I have not only seen something, but also liked what I saw. There's not always time to comment, and giving a star is in my opinion better than nothing.
Number of comments
The more comments your publication gets, the more popular it is. Do notice that also your own comments seem to matter. If you are polite and thank all of your visitors individually, the more active the "discussion" is. That then makes your post more likely become tagged as "HOT". So, interaction means popularity.
The frequency of views, faves and comments
It also seem to matter that how frequently all activities occur. If many views, faves and comments are made within a very short period of time, then the publication gets higher position on Explore.
The recency of the publication
As everyone soon discovers, only the publications published within few days may become picked onto Explore. So, the publication first have to become picked within few days. Then it may stay there even considerably long time if the previous factors keep it popular. But eventually all images on Explore become considered as "yesterday's news", and replaced with more recent publications.
The popularity of one's other publications
This I discovered myself, when once wondering why day or one old image of mine, looking more popular than the more recent publication of mine was not picked to Explore. I figured out that my earlier publication had become displaced with more recent image of mine. This less popular publication then may appear deep down on the Explore list, and therefore one first thinks that one's own popular image had become ignored.
But sometimes a picture that has already become picked to Explore then keep on staying more popular than one's more recent publications. One then have to wait and see if the popularity of more resent publication finally overpowers the older one.
Time of day and week
This is something which many may have wondered the most. What happens "behind the scenes" is that Explore images first have to become moderated and accepted by ipernity moderator (human being). This is done at least once within 24 hours. It varies when exactly it is done each day, but when it becomes done, all new "candidates" have to wait till next day to become accepted and viewed on Explore.
This human moderation is necessary to make sure that Explore stays family friendly, and free from obvious copyright infringements and SPAM. Some "inappropriate" images then may get through this moderation, but we all are human after all. Luckily those human errors can be fixed later on.
Moreover, before ima takeover Explore was not moderated on Sundays. At that time I often noticed that I would have to wait untill Monday to see my pictures become viewed on Explore.
One publication of each type per user
Each and every ipernity user can have only one publication of each type on Explore. If none displayed, then either the most recent publication is waiting on queue to become moderated, or none of the publications are acceptable, recent and/or popular enough. So, one photo, one video and one blog article per user can appear on Explore at the time.
How to get your own images viewed on Explore?
So to put this all together, one first needs to have enough contacts to get one's images viewed, faved and commented. And to achieve that, images of course have to be interesting enough. It very likely requires that one treats the contacts respectfully to keep them and keep them interested to view, fave and comment. And that is usually gained by viewing, liking and commenting on what others have done. So, it is a trade of mutual attention and respect.
One can also participate onto groups where images become more easily viewed, faved and commented. So called challenge groups are a good place to gain popularity. Such groups are also a big part of what ipernity is about. So, seeing challenge group pictures often displayed on Explore only gives a true and honest picture on what ipernity is about.
Then if you really do must get some of your images stay on Explore, as long as possible, then wait a few days before you publish something new. Quite often the most popular publications on Explore comes from people who publish no more than once or twice a week. But also don't forget the importance of being responsive. Equally the most popular members are also interested on what others are doing.
And if you for some reason wish to avoid getting some of your images appear on Explore, then publish them as private or with friends only, and/or share them only within groups. A private image shared on group is available and public within the group context, but it does not become picked to Explore.
So, what's the point?
Explore is a representation of ipernity. Those who get their images to Explore, are very likely not only popular, but also respectable members of the community. To become as one, you also have to help others along the way to get there.
But because Explore is based also on comments, it then shows where the action is. So, by following Explore one very likely also finds interesting groups, people and topics to join with. And therefore Explore is also a good public image of ipernity to share with visitors and new members.
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Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Stormlizard clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Peggy C clubDid you know that ipernity also has a LinkedIn Page? It might be a good idea to share Explore there about once a week or so? www.linkedin.com/company/ipernity/about
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Frank J CasellaYes, I recall the LinkedIn account mentioned on ima team discussions, but we have not found much use for it so far. If you have ideas, they are welcome. I am just afraid there is not much audience there.
Frank J Casella has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSecond, if you look at my LinkedIn profile, under the Experience section, you will find my listing as a Member of ipernity. If you click the logo there it will take you to the ipernity page. Plus, if all our members who are also on LinkedIn add this to their profile there, and click the button to share with their connections this update, many connections will get an email about this update and respond with encouragement. This is the very basic way to bring awareness and new members to ipernity. I can share the guide book link if you would like, just ask.
www.linkedin.com/in/frankjcasella
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Frank J CasellaI suppose we should reconsider to take that LinkedIn account of our's into use. I would even suggest that you could become our "ipernity evangelist" at LinkedIn.
But, I could also try to find time for it, or at least have a look what could be done. For now it has to wait a little longer though.
Frank J Casella has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Frank J CasellaFrank J Casella has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubwww.linkedin.com/pulse/you-seeing-poor-results-from-your-linkedin-company-page-breitbarth
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Frank J CasellaThings that we or I have to do:
1) Get the access user email and password from Eric.
2) Implement those updates mentioned on that article.
3) Start being active also on LinkedIn.
Frank J Casella has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Clickity ClickThe results of your investigations reveal a persistent possibility of manipulating the algorithms of "Explore/What's hot!" by a certain behavior that no one can seriously approve of.
Last but not least, I feel the utmost appreciation for the commitment of the IMA team and would like to speak in favour of at least Sunday being granted as a day off for IMA.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * club(reply to your earlier question ;-) )
I actually hoped to get some constructive feedback and different opinions. This morning I myself realized another serious weakness on current popularity centered system. If and when majority of users are German speaking, then German speaking also most likely forms the majority of the most popular users.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubYou write you were actually hoping to get constructive feedback and other opinions.
Unfortunately, I cannot fulfil this hope. On the one hand I can only confirm (on the whole) the results of your research based on my own observations for years (with minor deviations).
On the other hand I have partly other opinions to the conclusions of your investigations, but details wouldn't be useful here.
As for the rest, I agree with Bernhard.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubFor example, one can "pretend" to be social and extrovert to get contacts. But on the other hand, isn't it the same as if not pretending? As long as the audience get what they like, and don't see the so called bluff, everyone is happy.
Then there is a possibility that someone opens 100 guest accounts with 100 fake IDs, to boost one account's popularity. But I think that would not go through unnoticed very long.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubHowever, regarding of "how exactly should be somehow proved empirically.":
A member who is no longer part of ipernity has vividly documented one of the possibilities of manipulating the algorithms of "Explore/What's hot!". He asked his contacts and/or friends to favor and comment on a very simple photo he had uploaded for this purpose. His contacts and friends supported his action energetically and not only favored it, but also "commented" on it several times. The picture was not only on the first page of "What's hot!" in a very short time, but also stayed there for quite a while, as more and more "comments" were added by the same members. In this respect, an empirically proof already exists. (But also the previous algorithm of "What's hot!" was manipulable in a similar way.)
Other possibilities you have listed yourself. Beyond that, there are further possibilities of manipulation, as in the effort to gain personal benefits, the ingenuity of some people is phenomenal and almost admirable.
Attempts to gain personal advantage, for example by manipulation in this or that way, may be successful for a while, but empirically do not pay off in the end.
From this point of view, it is irrelevant how the algorithm works exactly or maybe will work sometime as there will always be people who try to cheat such systems - mostly without realizing that they are cheating themselves in the end...
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Janet Brien clubOn the weakness: If Explore reflects that a nation is particularly communicative, then that is also an experience. And it could be an appeal for members from other countries to become more involved in community life again.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Bergfex clubpassez un bon we
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to @ngélique ❤️ clubDue to my numerous contacts, there are a significant number of users who are very interested in the regulations of this challange.
Just wiping eyes doesn't apply.
Openness is required.
Therefore, please: How are the algorithms and how they will be after a reprogramming ???
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to ©UdoSm clubOn your behalf I can ask from ima CTO if the exact algorithm could be dug out somehow.EDIT: Please see * ઇઉ *'s comment. I assume you or someone else has already requested the algorithm from ima board before. If it is already said it is not easy enough, then that is your answer. Not worth enough to spend time on it before reprogramming.
But, I also like to challenge you and others to give constructive and well thought ideas on what could be a better alternative.
For example have a look at Youpic, and say if that is somehow better:
youpic.com/explore
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubI'll add a few details from what I've seen through the years. A picture will stay for up to a maximum of 14 days on Explore if the photographer doesn't replace it with a new photo. Each time a new photo is uploaded, it overrides all previous photos for eligibility in Explore. Furthermore when this new photograph is approved or cleared from the queue, it replaces the photographer's previous image currently being displayed in Explore.
I also believe but cannot prove that the algorithm does take into account the IP addresses of comments. For instance, if the same person comments over and over on the same image, it isn't given much weight. Hopefully this extends to the creation of dummy accounts, which I must add are in violation of the site's terms of service and if discovered would result in closure and banishment from the site as stipulated.
A strong point of the algorithm is photos that make the queue for inclusion and will be approved if they do not violate copyright protections or respective laws governing Ipernity have nothing to do with subjective bias. It wouldn't be right for someone to say a photo should not be included solely based on their personal tastes and opinion.
Last, as long as I have access to a computer, I try to clear the queue so photos can make explore at least twice a day, including Sundays. I have to decline a so-called day off on Sunday since going through the queue really doesn't take that much time or effort.
William
Frank J Casella has replied to William Sutherland clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to William Sutherland clubGood to know the time limit can be even 14 days. I have also thought it must be at least two weeks.
What comes to number of comments, I think there is some additional variable counting replies. So, that could explain why a photo suddenly seem to jump up on the ranking list. On the other hand, if one only tries to post number of comments on her/his photo, it supposedly does not make the photo much more popular.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to William Sutherland clubwww.ipernity.com/doc/serola/49170114
So, for example over 40 faves, 40 comments and 150 visits on few day old post weights more than only few faves, comments and visits on more recent post.
The same topic is discussed again and again on Flickr also. Also on Flickr there is an 'explore' function, but it works a bit differently.
But I'm less interested in the 'explore' than the Fave button ⭐. Each time I press it I favor the respective picture AND at the same time I include the picture in a personal collection named "Your favorite photos". The collection is getting bigger and bigger and therefore more and more confusing. So I started pressing the button more cautiously and reluctant. There are users who have over 100 pages of "favourite pictures"! More than own pictures!
Why can't you favor an image without including it in a personal collection?
Well, you are probably the wrong address to ask this question. :-)
In Flickr it's the same, by the way.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to polytropos clubwww.ipernity.com/doc/serola/favorite
I have not used that feature much to revisit what I have liked, or see what someone else likes. But surely to find some use for it, there should be at least some way search among them. Now one can do only this:
www.ipernity.com/search/photo?opt=&q=park&w=0&t=0&lic=&s=0
It would be great to have an option to search with keyword on those images that I or someone else have previously liked.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has addedwww.ipernity.com/doc/serola/favorite/by/polytropos
And you don't much like my shots =,D
www.ipernity.com/doc/polytropos/favorite/by/serola
Only kidding, of course ;-)
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubWe could start a competition for the most hard-working collectors of favourite pictures and thereby help to reinforce existing prejudices. ;))
polytropos club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubBy viewing, commenting and liking one can make something even more popular or help something else become popular.
If I look at my at least adequate images taken and published around 2014, I hardly got more than few visits, faves and comments within first days after publishing. Being rather active member at ipernity has then later on made me a little more popular, and making my images appear on top 5 pages on Explore, almost regular bases.
So, it requires activity, contacts and showing mutual interest on what others are doing.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to polytropos clubBut please be true to your own taste. Truly like what you like =D
polytropos club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubSami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to polytropos club* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… club* ઇଓ * club has replied to polytropos clubI think that one week's presence on Explore would be more than enough.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sylvain WiartBut I think all this should be publicly discussed in the ipernity Team blog when the time has come.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Sylvain WiartI do guess some people take Explore as a "popularity contest". They may intentionally try to collect contacts and visit other people to gain visits, faves and comments in return. But I do claim there are also number of people who really do not think or behave that way. Personally I use Explore to discover something nice and new done by other people, not to see my photo there.
But I do admit I care for feedback. If people like my photos, it of course makes me feel happy that I have manage to do something that makes people to enjoy. And if someone dislikes, and dare to say it, I then of course try to take that as constructive feedback.
Moreover, I do not hesitate to express my own liking with visits, faves and comment. I try to share them as generously as I can. For me visits, faves and comments mean that the photo, blog article or other content has been noticed, which is always good, and that is the point of social media. To become noticed is the most important thing. If that is then used for and affects on such thing as Explore, it is then only a byproduct. Explore is much less important than being a community where people care about each other. Explore is only a window to ipernity.
So, tool is a tool, and tools can be used for good and evil. In order to find out what majority thinks about Explore and what they use it for, one would have to run an extensive questionnaire among ipernity users. That is the only reasonable way, in my opinion. Or, another option is to remove the Explore, and then wait and see what people say about it's absence.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubHowever, I agree with you that tools can be used for both good and evil. But it is the personal responsibility of each individual user to be aware of the consequences of his/her actions, including his/her use of Explore.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubYes, better to keep windows open, even if they may give a little distorted view.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Sami Serola (inactiv… clubIn addition, imperfection (such as distorted view) offers potentially attractive opportunities for further development, doesn't it? ;)
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubI totally agree! =)
One option could be "(key)word of the month" displayed on the "front page":
www.ipernity.com/search/photo?opt=1&q=autumn&w=0&t=0&lic=&s=2
www.ipernity.com/explore/keyword/16062?s=2
That example is however limited to English only, and therefore maybe not a good example.
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