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Bergfex club has replied to Frank J CasellaI myself still have a problem with "eco". Is that possible as an abbreviation in English/American? (In Germany one would understand that, because ecologically = "öko" is abbreviated. How is that at yours?)
raingirl club has replied to Bergfex clubAnd when we get to designing the look of the page - it would be awesome to have 3 different colors for the titles at the top. Or at least 2 really different ones.
I would opt for 'Standard' and 'Basic'. "Eco" reminds me too much of everything about 'energy saving'.
S.Pylypko (WorldArou… has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubraingirl club has replied to Manu clubEdit: look at the style of the three options on www.ipernity.com (when logged out).
(They shouldn't be identical, as the ones on www.ipernity.com are clickable. But they should be consistent in style.)
Bergfex club has replied to Manu clubBut we don't have to deal with such details here, because we only deliver the blueprint, according to which the web designer will build the website. And he has all ipernity elements true to colour in his construction kit. But maybe he will have to come up with a completely different, more creative solution for the central accentuation. Let's wait and see.
Moreover let me remind you again: What you see here is just a Photoshop layout to visualize an idea of what (in terms of content) should be done. Whether and how it will look in HTML later is still open. It is also still completely unclear whether the page can be integrated into the existing software or whether it has to be programmed separately as a new module.
But all this is not the issue here. Here and today we only want to clarify how the tariff levels should differ from each other and how they should transport this visually in a more or less acceptable form. Nothing more.
I'd just remove that sentence.
raingirl club has replied to Manu clubBergfex club has replied to raingirl clubDemgegenüber vertritt Bernhard den "Marketing"Ansatz, wonach das , worauf das Augenmerk gerichtet sein soll, unbedingt mittig anzuordnen sei.
Wenn ich mich so umschaue, dann scheinen ja viele von Marketing nicht viel zu verstehen:
www.fotocommunity.de/premium
zenfolio.com/zen-plans
www.smugmug.com/plans
photobucket.com/plans
500px.com
www.photoshelter.com/signup/subscriber
www.dawawas.de/user/upgrade/ref/help
imageshack.us/upgrade
cloud.directupload.net/upgrade.html
Ich schlussfolgere daraus, dass man den Blick auch durch andere optische Elemente die Aufmerksamkeit gezielt lenken kann, ohne gegen die "Logik" anzukämpfen.
Überhaupt erscheint mir das eine oder andere optisch "frischer".
Bergfex club has replied to Be◉bachter clubGenerell gilt außerdem zu bedenken: Solange wir am alten ipernity herumbasteln, oder behelfsmäßig was drumherum stricken, kann alles nur auf dem Designniveau des alten ipernity sein - etwas hausbacken also, auf dem Stand von 2008 bis 2013. Optisch vielleicht ein bisserl klarer, aber keinesfalls so, dass der Eindruck entsteht, man wäre aus dem Programm geflogen, wenn man eine Unterseite besucht.
Boarischa Krautmo club has replied to Be◉bachter club120 USD pro Jahr für photoshelter basic, 4 GB storage
48 USD für den einfachstens mugmug Tarif
96 EUR für ein mit ipernity vergleichbares Angebot bei der fotocommunity
60 USD der billigste Tarif bei zenfolio
60 EUR bei directupload
ab 36 EUR bei dawawas (die Preisliste ist hier nur abrufbar für registrierte user, also eine Verschleierung der tatsächlichen Kosten, vielleicht abmahnbar nach UWG)
Ich finde, ipernity braucht sich da überhaupt nicht klein zu machen oder zu verstecken.
Be◉bachter club has replied to Boarischa Krautmo clubIch will's kurz machen. Die angeführten Seiten sind beileibe nicht alle mit Ipernity ansatzweise zu vergleichen.
Gerade "photoshelter" bedient eine total andere Klientel und bietet eine Fülle an Features, die hier überhaupt nicht gefragt sind.
Ja, fotocommunity ist mit ipernity und Flickr im Prinzip vergleichbar und doch wieder nicht. Fotocommunity hat bei dem Preis keine 100GB- und auch keine 200GB-Grenze. Für mehr als 100 GB bezahlt man bei Ipernity künftig ca 90€, soweit entfernt ist des dann auch nicht mehr.
Aber sieh Dir mal an, was die gerade völlig neu gestaltete Seite - nicht nur optisch - sonst noch so bietet ... nur ein Beispiel: fotoschule.fotocommunity.de.
Wir wollen doch lieber nicht solide Hausmannskost mit einem sterneverdächtigen Menü vergleichen.
Dabei möchte ich es bewenden lassen.
Bergfex club has replied to Be◉bachter clubOffenbar hat die Geschäftsleitung daraufhin beim Mutterkonzern Bertelsmann durchsetzen können, dass der halbherzig über die alte FC gestülpte 500px-Klon nun durch eine von Grund auf neu gestaltete Software ersetzt wird. Davor kann man echt den Hut ziehen. Für mobile Endgeräte ist alles bestens. Ob die Perfomance sich auch wieder verbessert hat, kann ich nicht sagen. Ich hab gerade keine Zeit, das zu testen. Optisch ist die FC jetzt jedenfalls top und setzt einen neuen Standard, der die Dringlichkeit des Change-Management-Prozesses nur unterstreicht, den wir gerade erst beginnen.
Basic, Standard, Guest.
I don't know where we landed in terms of the order of the 3 options visually on this page. I still like either low to high cost - or high to low cost. But this pages suggested layout with the visual prominence of the middle, highest cost seems okay (it bothered me more in the prior versions).
Bergfex club has replied to raingirl clubWhat I want to say: just have a little patience. Answers are not found by repeating questions several times. It also takes time to think, weigh up and communicate within the ima-team. (The fact that I am so present here is a special situation and a stroke of luck for you. My wife, however, is not always enthusiastic about how much time I devote to you.)
raingirl club has replied to Bergfex clubAnd please give your wife a hug from me! (My husband doesn't always understand my contributions either - small as they are. But he does understand my love of photography.)
Bernhard (ima)
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Team clubThis joint effort once again highlights the uniqueness of this platform and its dedicated members.
A big thank you to you and the ima team and to all participating members of the community!
I agree that
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And should it be "contribution to this project" instead of "in"?
Please check the new update status 2.5, which includes all new optimization suggestions, also from the comments in the corresponding blog.
Bernhard (ima)
I'd switch 2) and 1), so I don't see 2) first
Text for Standard now reads:
"3 months trial without charge. Unless it is upgraded [...]"
would be better
"3 months trial without charge. Will be changed to Guest after 3 months if no payment happens. [...]"
Bergfex club has replied to Manu clubBergfex club has replied to ValfalPlease check the new update status 2.6, which includes all new optimization suggestions, also from the comments in the corresponding blog.
Bernhard (ima)
will be deleted th_e_n
Men and multitasking did not have evolution in mind. (I'm also deleting the ipernity data garbage.)
It's fixed without change of release number.
Manu club has replied to Bergfex clubanother detail:
others' photos
not
other's photos
(and in footnote 3 I would write Guest, not "Guest")
Bergfex club has replied to Manu clubSounds "No limit" really better than "unlimited"?
BTW, for some of these special issues? If ima needs more money, ask for it. Per the adage, if you don't ask... ; - )
Bergfex club has replied to mapgraphs clubManu, thank you for noticing my error with other’s.
Bernard, I suspect that when you edited out some capitals, your spell checker changed the style of double quotes from “English/US” to ,,German”. It is odd to my eyes.
Putting something "in quotes" in the middle of a sentence is valid in English, and a sort of emphasis. Perhaps you were referring to the use of "Guest" in footnote 1) which I think is ok.
I would say “… if no payment is made” rather than “… if no payment happens”.
If it is too late in the day for more minor changes, there are not any realy important amendments.
After that I have to dedicate myself today to other things that are still important in this context. For example, an account has to be set up by tomorrow, similar to the return offer www.ipernity.com/home/retournee-offer at that time.
That's a lot of work.
(But in such a way that the French translation, which is always about 20% longer, also has room).
Manu club has replied to Bergfex clubYou mean the text on yellow background on www.ipernity.com/login.php, only visible when one's logged out, yes?
Full text at the moment (so not everybody has to go check):
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New User Tariffs
As of April 01, 2018, ipernity will offer a new tariff structure. In addition to our standard tariff there will be a lower-priced basic tariff as well as a gratis guest tariff. Until then, a transitional offer will be made to existing "free" users.
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English is not my first language, so I'll wait if somebody else can help. I'd stay as close as possible to the picture above, so for the title:
New subscription packages
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Manu clubNew subscription packages
From 01 April 2019, ipernity will offer a new subscription structure. In addition to our “Standard” package there will be a lower-priced “Basic” package, as well as a limited free “Guest” account. Until then, a transitional offer will be made to existing "Free" registered users.
Deepl gave a French version barely any longer.
Nuevos paquetes de suscripción
A partir del 1 de abril de 2019, ipernity ofrecerá una nueva estructura de suscripción. Además de nuestro paquete "Estándar" habrá un paquete "Básico" a un precio más bajo, así como una cuenta gratuita limitada de "Invitado". Hasta entonces, se hará una oferta transitoria a los usuarios registrados "Gratuitos" existentes.
Nieuwe abonnementspakketten
Vanaf 01 april 2019 zal ipernity een nieuwe abonnementsstructuur aanbieden. Naast ons "Standaard" pakket is er een lager geprijsd "Basic" pakket, evenals een beperkte gratis "Guest" account. Tot die tijd zal er een overgangsaanbieding worden gedaan aan bestaande "Gratis" geregistreerde gebruikers.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Bergfex clubVanaf 1 april 2019 krijgt ipernity een nieuwe abonnementsstructuur. Naast ons "Standaard" pakket is er een lager geprijsd "Basis" pakket, evenals een gratis "Gast" abonnement met beperkte mogelijkheden. Tot die tijd zal er een overgangsaanbieding worden gedaan aan bestaande "gratis" geregistreerde gebruikers.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Rob Stamp clubVanaf 1 april 2019 krijgt ipernity nieuwe abonnementen. Naast ons "Standaard" pakket komt er een lager geprijsd "Basis" pakket, evenals een gratis "Gast" abonnement met beperkte mogelijkheden. Tot die tijd komt er een aanbieding aan bestaande "gratis" gebruikers.
Noting that you dropped “structure” and “transitional” to shorten the Dutch version.
Rather than a slight rewording of the existing text, are these two and a half lines in English still clear. Is "discount" a valid way of saying what we are going to offer?
New subscription packages
From 01 April 2019 there will be three options. “Standard” replaces "Club", a lower-priced “Basic” and a limited free “Guest” are new. Until then, existing "Free" registered users will be offered a discount.
Subscriptions club has replied to Rob Stamp clubGrundsätzlich: Eigentlich sollte man nicht erwähnen, was nicht mehr ist, sondern nur, was sein wird.
Außerdem richtet sich diese Botschaft vorzugsweise an Externe. Ich würde mich deshalb gern darauf ebschränken wollen, was eingeführt wird _ und das was wegfällt, gar nicht mehr erwähnen.
(sorry, das kommt aus dem Account, den ich gerade aufbaue. Keine Sorge, das bin ich, Bernhard)
A link will be added underneath the lines : www.ipernity.com/home/2423640
New Subscription Packages
From 01 April 2019 there will be three options. “Standard”, a lower-priced “Basic” and a limited free “Guest”. Until then, existing "Free" registered users will be offered a discount.
Or not include the last sentence at all. Free users, who stay logged in will not see it, and I would think a mass email to them, with the offer, is required.
"Discount" würde ich noch ändern. Wo ich lebe, meint man damit Sonderangeote. Hier ist aber (feinsinnig unterschieden) ein"Überleitungsangebot" gemeint. Also ganz gezielt etwas, was von a) nach b) führen soll.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Subscriptions clubSubscriptions club has replied to * ઇଓ * clubSelbstverständlich müssen alle Sprachversionen entsprechend aufmerksam angepasst bzw. überprüft werden.
* ઇଓ * club has replied to Subscriptions clubNew Subscription Packages
From 01 April 2019 there will be three options. “Standard”, a lower-priced “Basic” and a limited free “Guest”. Until then, a special offer will be made to existing "Free" registered users.
Manu club has replied to Rob Stamp clubFrom April 1, 2019 there will be three options: Standard, a lower-priced Basic and a free Guest. Users with an existing free account will receive a special offer.
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a) For me, quotation marks mean so called
b) free limited Guest -> free Guest [because I read limited in the sense of a time limit]
c) Until then.. -> Users ...
Vanaf 1 april 2019 krijgt ipernity drie abonnementen. "Standaard", een lager geprijsd "Basis" en een gratis beperkt "Gast" abonnement. Tot die tijd komt er een aanbieding aan bestaande niet betalende gebruikers.
I was noting that Jaap modified the “Free” registered users.
I agree about the ‘limited’ that I added, it is better left to be shown on the chart.
Bold text is a neater way to highlight.
The American format date in fine, and with April spelt, it is not confusing.
Manu club has replied to Rob Stamp clubIch bin zurück.
Kann man das Wort "free" im Englischen durch ein Synomym ersetzen?
(Innerhalb des ima-teams besteht der Wunsch, den Gebrauch von "free" weitestgehen zu vermeiden, zumindest in Sätzen, die sich auf die Zukunft beziehen,)
I think that "existing free account" is the correct phrase to keep.
New Subscription Packages
From April 1, 2019 there will be three options: Standard, Basic and Guest.
Users with an existing free account will receive a special offer.
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New Subscription Packages
From April 1, 2019 there will be three options: a Standard package, a lower price Basic package and a Guest package at no cost. Current users with a "free" account will receive a transitional offer.
Another sentence on another topic
[FR]
Nouveaux paquets de cotisation
À partir du 1er avril 2019, il y aura trois options : Standard, un Basic moins cher et un Invité gratuit. Les utilisateurs actuels disposant d'un compte "libre" recevront offre de transition.
Une autre phrase sur un autre sujet
[DE]
Neue Abonnementspakete
Ab dem 1. April 2019 wird es drei Wahlmöglichkeiten geben: ein Standard-Paket, ein preiswerteres Basis-Paket, und ein kostenloses Gast-Paket. Derzeitige Nutzer mit einem "freien" Konto werden ein Überleitungsangebot erhalten.
Ein weiterer Satz über ein anderes Thema
[NL]
Nieuwe abonnementspakketten
Vanaf 1 april 2019 zijn er drie opties: een Standaard, een goedkoper Basis en een gratis Gast abonnement. Huidige "niet betalende" gebruikers ontvangen een overstap-aanbieding.
Nog een zin over een ander onderwerp
[IT]
Nuovi pacchetti di iscrizione
Dal 1° aprile 2019 ci saranno tre opzioni: Standard, un Basic a prezzo più basso e un Invitato a costo zero. Gli attuali utenti con un conto "gratuito" riceveranno un'offerta transitoria.
Un'altra frase su un altro punto
[SP]
Nuevos paquetes de suscripción
A partir del 1 de abril de 2019 habrá tres opciones: Estándar, un Basic más barato y un Invitado sin costo. Los usuarios actuales con una cuenta "gratuita" recibirán una
oferta transitoria.
Otra frase sobre otro tema
[PORT]
Novos pacotes de assinatura
A partir de 1º de abril de 2019, haverá três opções: Standard, um Básico com preço mais baixo e um Convite sem custo. Usuários atuais com uma conta "gratuita" receberão uma oferta transitória.
Outra sentença em outro tópico.
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- The links are underlined in accordance with the conventions for a barrier-free Internet.
- The colon before "and a no cost ..." has been inserted to make the separation clearer
- The quotation marks are intended, because "free" is really used here in a metaphorical sense.)
Be◉bachter club has replied to Bergfex clubperhaps
.... Ipernity will offer three subscription plans: ?
Vanaf 1 april 2019 krijgt ipernity drie mogelijkheden: Standaard, Basis en Gast.
Niet betalende gebruikers ontvangen een speciale aanbieding.
We had already agreed on "subscription packages" for the graphic. I would like to leave it at that, so that we come to an end. Because I have to propose everything to the ima team by 9 p.m. tonight at the latest, so that there is 24 hours for the team's internal approval. Friday morning at 07 o'clock everything has to be sent to Qwellcode so that it can go online at 18 o'clock in the evening.
in short: Our deadline is tonight at 9 p.m.
Another sentence on another topic"
Another sentence on another topic is a placeholder, yes?
"... Basic and a no cost Guest."
->
"... Basic and Guest at no cost."
"Current Users" -> "Current users"
Bergfex club has replied to Manu club- "... Basic and Guest at no cost." (Das hätte ich auch gesagt. Ich hatte mich nur strikt an Robs Vorgabe gehalten. Ich habs oben geändert.)
Übrigens: Was bin ich froh, dass wir uns auf 7 Kernsprachen geeinigt haben. Spanisch/Portugiesisch/Italienisch bekomme ich möglicherweise noch bis morgen Abend Korrektur gelesen. Aber Katalan, Schwedisch, Tschechisch oder Chinesisch?
Vanaf 1 april 2019 krijgt ipernity drie mogelijkheden: Standaard, goedkoper Basis en gratis Gast. Huidige niet betalende gebruikers ontvangen een speciale aanbieding.
Bergfex club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen clubAs far as free users are concerned, it is very important that it is not a special offer (= special offer), but a transitional offer. This is the message that we will "transfer" them all.
Everything else I can readily familiarize myself with above.
addendum: What I miss is the translation "packages". This wording should also match with all translations, with the charts, with the linked offer, etc.
Jaap van 't Veen club has replied to Bergfex clubVanaf 1 april 2019 zijn er drie opties: Een Standaard, een goedkoper Basis en een gratis Gast abonnement. Huidige "niet betalende" gebruikers ontvangen een overgangsaanbieding.
Nog een zin over een ander onderwerp.
Transitional: do you mean the German translation "Übergang" ??
If yes I would opt voor "overstap-aanbieding"
The last sentence is VERY strange and in this way/translation completely unnecessary
Jaap van 't Veen club has added.... drie opties: een standaard ... (and not: Een Standaard ...).
Bergfex club has replied to Jaap van 't Veen club(And don't stop at the last sentence. He just routinely flooded through the translation. Of course it will be different on Friday, and it will also be linked differently. This is just a placeholder.)
Yes, "... and Guest at no cost", but not a Guest.
You are right to revert to the initial “transitional offer”, which does describe it accurately, after trying discount offer, or “special offer” which feels more suited to supermarkets.
Quite a time ago, I too had found that inserting html coding for colour is rejected in these comments. So the blue is automatic after the typed address is converted to a link, and is based on the style defined for the page.
Bergfex club has replied to Rob Stamp club- "Current users" (fixed)
- "Guest at no cost" (fixed)
I’ve got to say that the Deepl translation of the [DE] above, reads well.
My mistake in ending up with what could be read quickly, as “Basic and Guest” were a no cost option.
So including package, and making it “, and a Guest..”
Can the English be finally presented as-
From 1st April 2019 there will be three options: a Standard package, a lower price Basic package, and a Guest package at no cost. Current users with a "free" account will receive a transitional offer.
Rob
I was busy with something else and just came back here to copy the final version for the ima team.
I've integrated your suggestions. Only with the date format I would like to leave it with the previous format.
Bernhard
Final version 3.0 approved by ima team.
November 30, 2019
On behalf of the team
Bernhard (ima)
I have been paying for the fundraiser and I have been buying my subscription early in order to support the site, and I expect my concerns to be taken seriously. Thank you very much.
Sami Serola (inactiv… club has replied to Wolfgang Illmeyer clubwww.ipernity.com/pref/original
But I personally do understand that is very likely not good enough. There should be a possibility to change the settings also per image. Moreover, there seem to be no possibility to let also anonymous users to download images, which I was not aware of.
So, I agree, we indeed need to look for some updates on the code, to give even better sharing settings. What is the point to have Creative Commons if it doesn't truly allow downloading(?)
Therefore on my own behalf I do thank you for pointing out this rather important issue. We as IMA team has just been unaware about this limitation on the code. But as we usually have to keep on saying: Since we do not currently have enough resources, we can't promise any quick updates on anything that requires serious updating on page code.
A possible "quick solution": We try to remove the z.gif from the page code when image has CC attribution or Free use. But even this can be rather tricky thing to do.
hinsichtlich der Download-Funktion ist obiger Vorschlag nur eine Fortschreibung des Status Quo, keine Änderung bzw. Einschränkung. Wenn allerdings Änderungen gewünscht werden, müssen sie auch an das ima-Team herangetragen werden. Denn was mit dem früheren Betreiber der Website verhandelt wurde, kann das Team nicht wissen. Auch nicht im Hinblick auf die "transparenten Pixel", welche uns völlig unbekannt sind.
Da der obige Vorschlag bisher nur eine Blaupause ist, über dessen technische Realisierbarkeit erst nächste Woche mit dem IT-Dienstleister gesprochen wird, könnte die von Dir gewünschte Änderung durchaus noch berücksichtigt werden. Deine Argumente sind verständlich. Wir werden die Vor- und Nachteile Deines Vorschlages überprüfen.
Bernhard (ima)
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