In his A History of the English-Speaking Peoples, Winston Churchill wrote:
Every nation or group of nations has its own tale to tell. Knowledge of the trials and struggles is necessary to all who would comprehend the problems, perils, challenges, and opportunities which confront us today... It is in the hope that contemplation of the trials and tribulations of our forefathers may not only fortify the English-speaking peoples of today, but also play some small part in uniting the whole world, that I present his account.
Winston Churchill wanted the United Kingdom’s historic experiences and contributions to play a role in “uniting the whole world.” That purpose, which transcended national borders, defined part of the vision that animated Churchill’s extraordinary leadership. It helped fuel his remarkable and courageous perseverance during the darkest days of World War II.
Some sixty years after Churchill’s four-volume work was published, the night of June 23, 2016 was long, dark, and sad. With no Winston Churchill to face down the dark and fearful forces unleashed by Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson, two of a number of populist demagogues who have appeared on the world stage at this point in the 21st century, just under 52% of the United Kingdom’s voters decided to disengage from Europe. They abandoned Winston Churchill’s larger vision of uniting the world in, among other things, the enlightened principles that first appeared in the Magna Carta and were later expanded upon in the English Bill of Rights of 1689.
The vote took place in the context of a persistently struggling European economy, considerable uncertainty about the United Kingdom’s economic prospects, anxiety about its place in the world, and worries about secular trends that are reshaping job and career opportunities. All of this provided unusually fertile ground for demagogues who pursue power through national division. Lacking leadership capacity and solutions for addressing contemporary challenges, they shift blame for those challenges onto immigrants and religious minorities. To rationalize their pursuit of power, they discredit governing institutions and leaders. To rally voters, they peddle the snake oil of physical, economic, and legal barriers, all of which make it more difficult for nations to realize their opportunities while doing little to address their problems.
In many ways, the Brexit fight was an uneven one from the onset. That the Bank of England and International Monetary Fund warned of significant adverse economic consequences from a Brexit vote was not enough to overcome the appeal of the darker forces backing exit. Those forces commanded the proverbial high ground on account of their being able to exploit raw passion.
People respond strongly to fear and anxiety through emotion. They react instinctively and abruptly to escape their fears. When anger is added to the toxic brew of fear and anxiety, there is explosive potential for overreaction and irrational choices—the kind of decision that was made yesterday.
In stark contrast, the kind of evidence-based arguments on which the “Remain” side’s case rested require thoughtful deliberation to have impact. Such deliberation weighs trade-offs and evaluates alternative scenarios. Building commitment requires a lot of time. Only at the end of the deliberative process can strongly-held positions emerge and decisive action become possible.
Time ran out. Last night’s outcome saw emotion triumph over reason, excess over moderation, and the current moment over future consequence. As a result, the United Kingdom and European Union will be grappling with the fallout, perhaps for years to come. Both may wind up fundamentally changed, and not necessarily for the better. Although just under 52% of those who cast ballots may have chosen Brexit for themselves, in their short-sighted choice, they may have imposed national breakup on all of the United Kingdom’s residents.
Following the end of World War II, Winston Churchill declared, “Strength is granted to us all when we are needed to serve great causes.” Sadly, there was no leader who possessed the kind of strength to which Churchill had referred. As a result, at the precise moment history served up a new great cause for the United Kingdom, a slight majority of its voters failed that test. That is not the tale Winston Churchill would have wanted to tell. For that I am profoundly saddened.
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Don Sutherland club has replied to Stormlizard clubwww.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/young-voters-wanted-brexit-least-8271517
This has frustrated younger voters. One such voter, Lauren Razavi wrote:
Over the course of a single night, baby boomers have rejected expert opinion and torn apart my generation’s future. Why? Because a vague notion of making our country “great again,” combined with an infectious hysteria about immigration, was enough to convince them that things have to change. They were so convinced, in fact, that they were happy to vote for Leave without any definition of what “great” looks like, and no road map to actually achieving it.
www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/06/24/british-millennials-like-me-are-the-real-losers-in-the-brexit-vote
Another, Nicholas, wrote:
A quick note on the first three tragedies. Firstly, it was the working classes who voted for us to leave because they were economically disregarded, and it is they who will suffer the most in the short term. They have merely swapped one distant and unreachable elite for another. Secondly, the younger generation has lost the right to live and work in 27 other countries. We will never know the full extent of the lost opportunities, friendships, marriages and experiences we will be denied. Freedom of movement was taken away by our parents, uncles, and grandparents in a parting blow to a generation that was already drowning in the debts of our predecessors. Thirdly and perhaps most significantly, we now live in a post-factual democracy. When the facts met the myths they were as useless as bullets bouncing off the bodies of aliens in a HG Wells novel. When Michael Gove said, ‘The British people are sick of experts,’ he was right. But can anybody tell me the last time a prevailing culture of anti-intellectualism has led to anything other than bigotry?
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f4dcdf62-399d-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html
Stormlizard club has replied to Don Sutherland clubI think that American companies that had opened offices etc, in UK to gain market access in Europe will look and move these elswhere, cost to the UK, loss of jobs, Japanese companies may well do likewise.
I will need a new Passport as the British EU version will no longer be valid. Very glad I chose to escape from that place long ago.
The worst is that the difference between stay or go was so small it could be said as a tie, here in Denmark when election results are so close a recount is demanded.
Don Sutherland club has replied to Stormlizard clubIsisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubPlease watch this very informative video about the real face of the EU.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0WeURiShfU
Stormlizard club has replied to Don Sutherland clubI too, it seems that the oldies that still call Zambia 'Southern Rhodesia' have too much say and too little understanding of what the country needs.
That tiny difference should have been declared a No Vote.
Stormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubBrits like everyone else have the chance to vote for those in charge but it seems they can't be bothered to raisetheir butts from the sofa.
I am a pensioner aged 82, and feel really sad about that terrible error in even having a vote on the referendum.
Isisbridge club has replied to Stormlizard clubStormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubThose representitives are elected by the voting citizens of any of these given countries so if the British Representitives were not elected by the populatiin then it can only be the fault of A the British Government have dictated for you, or B the people just could not be bothered to vote.
The EU is and never has been a dictatorship.
And Yes, here is the British Dream the Exit mob wished for in a nutshell;
No Prime minister.
No effective Government.
No Effective Labour party leader.
No effective opposition.
A National health service in crisis
A weakening pound
A stock market in decline
Not exactly a brilliant outlook for our children is it?
LutzP club has replied to Isisbridge clubDon Sutherland club has replied to LutzP clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Stormlizard clubWhat is at the core of the "Leave" argument is a rejection that representative government is viable at the regional level. If every state had a "veto" over every matter that came before the EU Parliament, the EU would suffer from paralysis. If no state had elected representation, their interests would be put at risk by an unaccountable bureaucracy. The EU Parliament offered a functional middle ground that allowed for a balance between regional governance and respect for national interests. The requirement for unanimous member nation support for certain kinds of policies afforded even greater protection for the national interests of member states.
At least in my opinion, there was no "dictatorship."
Stormlizard club has replied to Don Sutherland clubI think one of the main problems is/was lack of Political awareness among the British voters.
The second being the lack of evaluating between negative and positive before coming to a decission about which way would serve the long term interests of the UK and those young people that wish to get on in life.
Don Sutherland club has replied to William Sutherland clubI am first.. last.... and always ENGLISH.
I watched the numbers last night and watched MY country commit suicide. I watched it roll back 250 years of NON isolation.
Whilst I was never a lover of the EU... you dont have to like something to know its the way you need to go. I saw the Vote In... and now... years later.... its the way still.. IN...
This was something that never should have been a Referendum... and had the outcome been to Remain... I would have still said that. The vote was /is too close to be a mandate.
And.. what scares me most...... is a portion of America is looking to vote the same way with horrendous consequences.
There is much I would write...but this is not the place.
But know... I have cried more today than in many years. I feel part of my heart was ripped out.
Don Sutherland club has replied to Pam J clubYou have my deepest empathy.
It is really tragic to see what has happened to a country that has contributed so much to humanity over the course of history, especially in the area of representative government. Even more tragic, it was brought about by a slim majority of those who cast ballots.
Like you, I don't believe there should have been a referendum. In my opinion, if the issue were to be debated and decided, the proper place to do so would have been the House of Commons. But now that the proverbial Pandora's Box has been opened, I worry greatly that what's been done, cannot or will not be undone. I also worry that numerous unintended consequences will follow.
Finally with regard to the phenomenon that you noted, it appears that following major economic upheavals and/or dramatic secular transformations such as the Industrial Revolution, the political environment is exceptionally hospitable to the rise of populist demagogues and movements. For example, following the 1837 Panic and the ensuing Depression, the Native American Party or Know-Nothing Party was established in the United States. In the wake of the recent financial crisis and Great Recession, in combination with the changes being driven by advancing technology, one has seen such populists and movements once again appear on the political stage in various parts of the world.
William Sutherland club has replied to Don Sutherland clubThen again maybe they won't since they can only retain power through division and war that ensures their relevance and builds their repulsive personal wealth and legacy on the shed blood of those who lost their lives in combat and through terrorism. Without 9/11, I doubt anyone would even pay attention to George W. and his demagoguery and petty politics and he would have no legacy. Without Brexit, Cameron's bland, failed leadership would be forgotten. Now he has a way to be remembered too.
And as always, real people and future generations will suffer as these demagogues cling to a divisive, intolerant and regressive past putting personal interest above all else. :(
Stormlizard club has replied to Pam J clubund die Gurken haben kein Gardemaß.
Aber im Ernst, es ist traurig und es ist nicht abzusehen was
und das alles kostet. Milliarden sind gestern schon an der
Börse verloren gegangen und das ist wohl nur der Anfang.
Mir tut es vor allem für die Leid, die das ganze "Hilflos" nicht
verhindern konnten und nun ausbaden müssen.
Die Heranwachsenden Generationen.
From The Washington Post:
“If Scotland wants to be a member of the European Union as an independent country, then they are welcome,” said Manfred Weber, the chair of the European Parliament’s center-right European People’s Party and an ally of German Chancellor Angela Merkel. “But that’s up for them to decide. That shows that there are positive signals. Some people do want to be members of the European Union.”
Britain could undergo even further dismantling if the Nationalists in Northern Ireland, which also voted to remain in the E.U., press ahead with their calls for a vote on Irish reunification. Already, signs at the main post office in Belfast warned all who entered that it had already run out of applications for passports from Ireland.
www.washingtonpost.com/world/britain-struggles-to-absorb-fallout-from-brexit-vote/2016/06/25/efe0fd48-3a3f-11e6-af02-1df55f0c77ff_story.html
At this time, the enormous generational divide and rapid accumulation of signatures on a petition for a re-vote may offer a small possibility that the outcome of the Brexit referendum could be reversed. That possibility is much less than 50%, but a small possibility is still better than none.
Pam J club has replied to Don Sutherland clubIts also extremely likely that the EU would commit penaltiies(and can you blame them)
Leave didnt give a stuff.. they knew what this would do to the UK... they KNEW... and egos got in the way.
I also never wanted Scotland to separate from the Union... now... I cannot blame them one single bit.. and as for N.Ireland.. both have go for it....
THIS is the HELL Leave have vested on the disUnited Kingdom
Take heed America....
I feel sick with worry and hurt.. and I know I am not alone. I live in America.. it is NOT my "home" (yes I have hard won DUAL nationality because it was the ONLY way American Immigration would stop persecuting me ... AND I wanted to be able to Vote as is my duty) and I see a portion of the electorate seeing the UK as a champion for this awful vote. I can only hope that America wakes up and sees the damage.. damage that isnt even showing the tip of the iceberg.
Don Sutherland club has replied to Pam J clubI completely agree. The odds of a second referendum are low. At the same time, the UK's credibility with the EU has been severely damaged.
The politicians leading the "Leave" movement wanted out of the EU at any price. They gave no consideration to the futures of those who would be affected. They gave no consideration to the continued integrity of the UK or any other future consequences.
Like you, even as I'm not from the UK (though I have some Scottish and Irish ancestors), I strongly opposed Scotland's separation and the referendum that was held. I saw no basis for it given the UK's broadly representative democratic government in which all citizens have a voice. Now, the "Leave" movement has given Scotland credible rationale to pursue separation.
The vote kicked off one history's great tragedies. That tragedy is still in the opening act, so to speak.
Further, I respect your continuing to embrace your English identity. I also understand the legal reason for your adopting a dual nationality.
Finally, like you, I hope Americans make sober choices in the month ahead. The lessons of the Brexit referendum outcome suggest that the risks of complacency are very high.
Stormlizard club has replied to Pam J clubI shall be in Cambrai, next Thursday for the centennial of the Battle of the Somme.
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" France prepares for Battle of Somme centenary
United Kingdom – Commemoration of the Battle of the Somme centenary – Reply given by M. Jean-Marie Le Guen, Minister of State for Relations with Parliament, to a question in the National Assembly (excerpts)
"Paris, 21 June 2016
"You’re right to recall that, 100 years ago, men from every continent confronted each other for 141 days during a terrible battle, known as the Battle of the Somme. The conflict, which began on 1 July 1916, was carnage from day one: 60,000 men were killed or wounded in the first 24 hours. On this part of the front alone, the confrontation was to kill 400,000 and wound 800,000 between July and November 1916.
"This battle took the heaviest toll on our British allies.
"The Battle of the Somme is to Britain’s collective memory what the Battle of Verdun is to ours: a symbol of the horror of war, the absurdity of a self-destructing Europe and the bravery of the soldiers.
"For all these reasons, the preparation for the Battle of the Somme centenary has prompted major Franco-British investment, under the coordination of the Mission du Centenaire on the French side. For 141 days, an exceptional commemorative season will be organized, with the high point being the ceremonies organized on 1 July. A total of 20,000 people are expected for the occasion, including 10,000 in Thiepval for the Franco-British ceremony. The state services are mobilized to a very large extent to ensure the security of these events. Many countries, from the Commonwealth in particular, will participate, and it has been announced that the British Royal Family, Prime Minister David Cameron and the Irish President will attend."
Don Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubIsisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubThe UK held 73 seats in the European Parliament. It was permanently represented at the EU.
On the other matter, I have lived in the U.S. and Canada. I have been to the UK. I have colleagues at work who are from the UK.
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubThe MEPs are mere puppets. EU laws are made by unelected anonymous officials.
Try watching this very informative video.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILTIDr4Ra8
Don Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubMoreover, under the February 2016 agreement, the UK was "not committed to further political integration into the European Union." This accommodated Prime Minister Cameron's demand regarding UK sovereignty that the UK not be obligated "to work towards an 'ever closer union' as set out in the EU Treaty, in a formal, legally binding and irreversible way."
ec.europa.eu/news/2016/02/20160219_en.htm
The UK enjoyed among the following special arrangements:
1. A permanent opt-out from the Euro area
2. It was not required to participate in the Schengen area
For those who are interested, the EU's settlement with the UK that would have gone in force had the "Remain" side prevailed can be found at:
www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/IDAN/2016/577983/EPRS_IDA(2016)577983_EN.pdf
Gudrun club has replied to Isisbridge clubIsisbridge club has replied to Gudrun clubMEPs are mere puppets within the EU dictatorship.
And what have his wife and ancestors got to do with it ??????????????
A full freedom in the electing of Members of Parliament, is one of the most ancient and useful privileges of the people of England, and it is but reason we should be left to our own free choice, when we instruct persons with making laws that concern our lives and fortunes...
That freedom to elect one's representatives was tied to Parliament's enormous responsibility of "making laws that concern" the "lives and fortunes" of those electing it. In that spirit, recognizing that "Brexit" is detrimental to the "lives and fortunes" of the UK's residents, inconsistent with the national interest, and a risk to the continued integrity of the UK, a courageous decision to set aside an ill-conceived and narrow referendum outcome in favor of Brexit would be a useful act of Parliament.
I believe the odds of such an outcome remain low. However, there is growing evidence that the "Leave" movement provided misleading information that might well have skewed the voters' perceptions. The Washington Post reported:
Brexit backers pledged that money the U.K. currently sends to the E.U. — supposedly £350 million a week — would go to the country's national health system instead. Former London mayor Boris Johnson even drove around Britain in a bus blaring that message.
On Friday, Farage called that claim a "mistake."
My guess is that had the decision been left to Parliament, neither Farage nor Johnson would have been able to fool Parliament over a "Brexit dividend" that did not exist.
The same newspaper quoted at the beginning of this comment also observed, "...there happens sometimes a critical moment, wherein a state may make itself happy, and that the greatest inconveniences do always attend a neglect of that moment."
Now, such a "critical moment" presents itself to the United Kingdom. Will Parliament act to make the UK "happy" in the end, or will it "neglect" that moment? The coming days and weeks will provide insight.
Hopefully, in coming days, the sooner the better, Parliament will be able to summon up the courage and foresight necessary to reject "Brexit." If so, Parliament will have acted to safeguard the "lives and fortunes" of those whom it governs and perhaps preserved the unity of the United Kingdom. It will have fulfilled its awesome governing responsibility at yet another critical juncture in history.
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubThe British people have voted to leave the European Union, and their will must be respected. I want to thank everyone who took part in the campaign on my side of the argument, including all those who put aside party differences to speak in what they believed was the national interest. And let me congratulate all those who took part in the Leave campaign for the spirited and passionate case that they made. The will of the British people is an instruction that must be delivered. It was not a decision that was taken lightly, not least because so many things were said by so many different organisations about the significance of this decision, so there can be no doubt about the result."
Stormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubNobody did a thing until M Thatcher became PM, not a popular one but she did stop the unions from doing further damage.
Isisbridge club has replied to Stormlizard clubStormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubThe Trade Unions wrecked British Industry many many years ago.
The European Union was founded to increase the strength of a United Europe which the United Kingdom was very eager to join.
Isisbridge club has replied to Stormlizard clubUs "oldies" were wanting OUT even when we were young.
Stormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubUs Oldies, count me out, I tired of hearing "I am older than you so I know best" from both grand and direct parents, also from many school teachers.
I gained wisdom from living in London during WW II, I was already going to school then, I gained further wisdom because the Government in its wisdom decided I needed a holiday and not at Billy Butlins but by putting my life on the line in North Korea, that ceased in an unconfirmed truce, I was then given another holiday, this time in the Jungles of Malaya. I have travelled the world much and have gained a lot from it but I do not pretend to know all the answers like so many of the less than smart voters.
Older does not mean Wiser, although wisdom does come or should with ageing
"About three-quarters of lawmakers had supported remaining in the European Union. A senior Conservative lawmaker, Kenneth Clarke, suggested that Parliament could override the referendum — which is not, in the end, legally binding on the government..."
www.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/world/europe/boris-johnson-brexit.html
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubStormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubHere in Denmark the Danish citizens voted for those politicians that should represent Denmark, that is also true of the other 25 member nations, (26 includes the UK which you say did not get the chance).
I am not a citizen of Denmark so therfore only voted when election papers were sent to me by post from the UK. At any time when there were Items of importance to be agreed upon and voted for I did my duty regarding the EU Parliamentary elections on specific points of law.
Isisbridge club has replied to Stormlizard clubwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Em_CRUhyLgk&feature=youtu.be
Don Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubeuropa.eu/about-eu/institutions-bodies/european-parliament/index_en.htm
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubMr. Farage's claim that people did not know Mr. Juncker could become EU President was incorrect. Mr. Juncker headed the European People's Party. Therefore, with that Party's victory in the May 2014 elections, he was the leading figure to become the EU President. There was no mystery about that.
From the Financial Times:
Spitzenkandidat literally means top candidate or party list leader. The German word entered the European Union lexicon in 2013 after the centre left Party of European Socialists committed itself to naming a Spitzenkandidat for the next EU parliamentary elections. The Spitzenkandidat would then become the party's choice for the EU's most high-profile job – European Commission president. The PES has argued that picking a Spitzenkandidat would democratise the process of selecting the commission president. But the concept only gained momentum in December 2013 when the centre right European People's Party decided to do the same, despite the objections of some of its high profile leaders, including German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
lexicon.ft.com/Term?term=Spitzenkandidat
From a July 15, 2014 BBC News story:
The former Luxembourg Prime Minister, Jean-Claude Juncker, has taken charge of the European Commission, despite UK opposition.
He got a solid majority among MEPs in a secret ballot - 422 votes - and the support of 26 out of 28 EU governments.
www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27679170
The British opposition to Juncker is a different matter. Whether a better approach for choosing the EU President feasible or desirable is also a different matter. Juncker's having been the likely President was apparent from the onset based on "Spitzenkandidat."
In terms of reforms, I believe that even if votes might be cast in secret (as they were), the final roll call should be made public.
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubHave you sat in the European Parliament, or do you just read their propaganda?
Stormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk6Ymy758l4&feature=youtu.be
Apparently, those advocating Brexit had no plans on how to proceed were they to win the referendum. The New York Times reported:
In the aftermath of the Leave campaign’s victory, the political editor for Sky News, Faisal Islam, asked a Conservative member of Parliament who supported leaving the bloc to see his camp’s plan.
The legislator replied, according to Mr. Islam: “There is no plan. The Leave campaign don’t have a post-Brexit plan.”
Harvard University Political Science Professor Danielle S. Allen had it exactly right when she advised, "Establishing a stable political regime is a two-stage process. First you figure out what shape you want your new regime to have; only then do you get rid of the old one. Wake up, world."
Neither Boris Johnson nor Nigel Farage had any idea of want they wanted a post-Brexit UK to look like. All they had were the murky, exaggerated, and unrealistic claims on which they sold the "Leave" position.
Stormlizard club has replied to Don Sutherland clubThe EU Parliament's proceedings are live-streamed, so one need not sit in to gain a flavor of its proceedings.
Some useful links:
www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/schedule
www.europarl.europa.eu/ep-live/en/plenary
Just because one disagrees with a perspective, does not mean that one should argue that information from that perspective e.g., the EU's information, is "propaganda."
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubThe Oxford Dictionary defines propaganda as:
chiefly derogatory Information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view: 'he was charged with distributing enemy propaganda'
www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/propaganda
The Cambridge Dictionary offers the following American and British English definitions:
nformation or ideas that are spread by an organized group or government to influence people’s opinions, esp. by not giving all the facts or by secretly emphasizing only one way of looking at the facts.
information, ideas, opinions, or images, often only giving one part of an argument, that are broadcast, published, or in some other way spread with the intention of influencing people's opinions...
dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/propaganda
I disagree that the EU Parliament is broadcasting and disseminating information with the intent of misleading people.
Stormlizard club has replied to Isisbridge clubYour arguments are as uncredible as your age according to the info on your Avatar.
Isisbridge club has replied to Stormlizard clubSome kind of European goose perhaps?
I do not fear the future. I look forward to it. I do not accept the narrative that we are all helpless prisoners of fate. I believe that the world's countries and peoples possess large capacity to shape the future.
Clearly, there are some big challenges facing the UK, EU, United States, and the world's other countries. Areas of economic stagnation, income polarization, labor market dislocations, actuarial pension fund imbalances, a shifting balance of power, terrorism all pose real challenges. None of these challenges are insurmountable. At the same time, there are also enormous opportunities tied to advancing technology, science-related breakthroughs, trade liberalization, among other factors. National interests clash in many areas, but opportunities for collaboration and cooperation also exist.
I do not see people from other countries, cultures, or traditions as undesirable or unwelcome. Instead, I appreciate the richness of the world's cultures and experiences made possible by its peoples. While people from China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States, and Mexico, among those from all other countries, each have their own distinctive characteristics and customs, we have far more in common than what divides us.
Not surprisingly, I welcome engagement with people from throughout the world. Further, I cherish the fact that I live in a world in which advances in transportation and technology have made it possible for me to partake of those experiences to a greater extent than any previous generation could even imagine. Hence, I empathize greatly with the United Kingdom's youth whose chances to live and work freely throughout the European Union may have been stripped from them on account of the referendum.
I always believed that the United Kingdom's sovereignty and national interest could be secure, even as it continued to play a vital and positive role within the larger European Union. EU participation and the UK's overall sovereignty are not mutually exclusive. Nothing I have seen since the Brexit referendum leads me to believe otherwise. If anything, the retreat of the "Leave" side's leading proponents from the big promises they made ahead of the referendum has reinforced my belief that I'm on the right side of this matter.
No matter what happens in the weeks and months ahead--and I still hope either an act of Parliament or the courage and foresight of the next Prime Minister will overturn the referendum's result--I want to see the United Kingdom remain strong, prosperous, and vibrant. Likewise, I want to see all of Europe remain peaceful, dynamic, and prosperous. A stable, secure, and prosperous Europe, which includes the United Kingdom, is one of the key foundations on which the prospects for a better world rests.
That may be true at present, but these distinctions are easily lost if you mix peoples together in overwhelming numbers. Distinctive English communities have been lost forever, due to the great influx of immigrants with other characteristics and customs. So it is understandable that some native people might feel resentful of this, especially when they feel powerless to do anything about it. They are wrongly branded 'racist' when they have no grudge against the individual people but against the excessive numbers that are being allowed to overrun them.
There is also the problem that some immigrants ARE undesirable and a real threat to our security, and we are extremely vulnerable with the current open borders.
Don Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubIsisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge clubwww.consilium.europa.eu/en/meetings/european-council/2016/02/EUCO-Conclusions_pdf
Of course, now that the referendum turned out as it did, that agreement is no longer available.
Isisbridge club has replied to Don Sutherland clubDon Sutherland club has replied to Isisbridge club"The Soviet Union was governed by fifteen unelected people, who appointed each other and who were not accountable to anyone. The European Union is governed by two dozen people, who appoint each other, meet in secret, and are not accountable to anyone, and whom we cannot sack.
One might say that the EU has an elected parliament. Well, the Soviet Union had a parliament of a sort too. The Supreme Soviet would just rubberstamp the decisions, pretty much like the European Parliament does...
We were told that the purpose of the Soviet Union was to create a new historic entity, the Soviet people, and that we must forget our nationalities, our ethnic traditions and customs. The same seems to be true of the European Union. They don't want you to be British or French. They want you all to be a new historic entity, European, to suppress all your national feelings and live as a multinational community...
In the Soviet Union they told us we needed a federal state to avoid war. In the European Union they are telling you exactly the same thing. In short, the same ideology underpins both systems. The EU is an old soviet model presented in western guise..."
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Already, in the tradition of "weakness" attributed to Prime Minister Chamberlain, one has witnessed the sorry spectacle of Boris Johnson's and Nigel Farage's abandoning the political scene, and with it, a crisis of their own making. Cleaning up the mess one created can be challenging, so the temptation to leave that unpleasant task to others can be enormous. Johnson and Farage took the easy way out, with neither accepting responsibility for dealing with the consequences of their actions.
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Lord Monckton:
"So now here we have a proposal from the Left in the EU, this time to bring forward the proposal for a so-called EU Army, by which they make all the armies of the member states into one army, commanded of course by the unelected commissars, not answerable to any elected parliament...
What we have got here is now a gallop towards formal dictatorship, and the question is whether there are still enough independent-minded media around to speak out. You won't hear a word of criticism of this on the BBC, for instance. And this is the big problem: the media have been captured by these people...
What has happened is that the governing class worldwide, the classe politique, as the French call it, they have been making common totalitarian cause. You've got the two kinds of totalitarianism: the corporatists, who like to be involved with big business and get big business to go along with them... Those are the fascists. Then you've got the communists, the open collectivists, and they're now finding common cause for the first time. They battled each other in the twentieth century, but now they are standing together against liberty.
And that's the significance of this European Army move. It's that they're so desperate. They know that the peoples of Europe do not love them. They know that they have failed to deliver what we would regard as useful European government. So they are now panicking and saying, how can we cling by the fingernails to this empire of bureaucracy that we have created, even though it's hated by the peoples of Europe. And the answer of course is to get the governing elite of Europe to join together, just as they did in trying to bully us into voting for staying in the European Union, and that failed, so now they're going to do it by force...
The danger with the European Army proposal is that there is no court to whom anyone in Europe can appeal if their governing class decides to go down this route, because then that common European Army will be established. And let us be quite clear, it's aim is not to do what NATO does, to protect the member states of NATO, so that if any one of those states is invaded...
This is an internal army designed to suppress the will of the people and keep them cowering in fear, and to kick down the door, just like the KGB, if the people disagree with them. That is what the European Army is about. That's why they want a European Army as well as NATO. Because NATO already deals with the external defence of Europe. It's NATO that's kept the peace and kept the Russians and everybody else at bay.
So why do they need a European Army as well as NATO? Answer: because NATO is explicitly forbidden to police the internal affairs of member states...
Now this European Army idea has in fact been kicking around for a long time, and it's been gathering dust, but also gathering momentum among the totalitarian Left, because, since the fall of fascism and communism, the Left have not had armies like that of Hitler and of Stalin at their disposal, and so they want... They realise now they cannot out-argue us. They cannot speak against democracy and expect to be heard by democracy. They've tried that, and even with all the elite backing only one side of the vote, it's the other side, the democratic side, that carried the day in Britain...
So the British people have won that. But the response is not a response to Brexit, this European Army plan. It's been around for actually at least fifteen years, and gathering momentum all that time. And as I say, the significance of this European Army and the fact that only now are they admitting the latest stage in its development, as they knew perfectly well that there would be an even larger negative vote against the EU if it was to come out in public... This just shows how little they care for what ordinary people think...
It didn't start as a premeditated attempt to take away democracy, but it has rapidly become exactly that, as the people who are behind all this realised how feeble the response of nation states would be when they needed to defend themselves. And already what is happening as a result of this vote is that there about three and a half to four million signatures on a petition demanding there should be a rerun of the referendum in Britain, because they don't like the result.
It'll be just like Denmark and Ireland, where they were made to vote again and vote again until they got the result that the governing class wanted, and only then was that referendum regarded as final. The same thing is now being attempted even with the British people, and I can tell you we're not going to like that very much. We are going to oppose this very vigorously. The more the governing establishment tries to discredit and dishonour and not to implement that referendum, the more strongly the support for freedom will grow among ordinary people..."
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"The European Union is explicitly undemocratic. It aims at eliminating the rule of law.
It aims at instituting initially a sort of chrony capitalist state that will quickly transmute into a bureaucratic socialist state. It is oppressive. It is hypocritical. It has inflicted enormous misery on all its subject countries, most obviously through monetary union, which was presented as an economic mechanism, but was always intended to create economic crises, which would push people into giving up more of their sovereignty, democracy, legitimacy, freedom. And sad to say, it's been very successful in that regard, if in no other...
"The European Union is an empire, and it has imperial ambitions, which extend beyond its present borders. It has the ambition to create a multi-national army...
"It is heading towards an anarcho-imperial state...
"I don't know how people who were in favour of the European Union can sleep at night.
"What it's seeking to do is eradicate the right of the people to order their own existence...
"Both the Charter of Fundamental Rights and a series of rulings by the European Court have said, in terms, that all and any political rights, including freedom of expression, freedom from arbitrary detention, unfair arrest, can be overridden, if necessary, in pursuit of objectives of general interest to the Union. Well, what does that mean? They can do what the hell they like."
www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/20/nigel-farage-barack-obama-brexit-london-republican-convention
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3719535/Polish-terror-experts-lash-EU-political-correctness-slam-Merkel-s-response-terror-attacks.html
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